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Fancy becoming emotionally attached to a pair of Jeans...

by The Rebel in

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and it was with great sadness that today my favorite pair of dirty denim, armani jeans were thrown in the bin.

they cost me £260 to purchase, and were value for money, as they were worn for many years and together we shared some wonderful occasions.they were stitched on numerous occasions, and loving repaired.

but today, and to my wife's relief i finally binned my amani jeans.

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" O" I wish I still had some of my childhood possessions. I owned model figures of " Hoss, Ben and Joe" from Bonanza, which today would be worth a small fortune.Today i would get such joyful memories reading my collection of Watford football club programs. Each match I attended was calculated, because my paper round job required getting up at at 6 in the morning seven days a week, yet it didn't cover a ticket to the match, a programe and the buss journey. So I usually sacrificed the buss and walked 50 minutes to the match and 50 minutes home afterwards so I was able to buy the match program.

I think from this thread we should be careful what we throw away. Or at least I won't be so strict on my boy, when we discard his old memorabilia.

p.s having a newspaper round as a kid, helped me with the initiative to window clean at 15, and I will teach my boy when he is 13 to earn his pocket money.

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Absolute moral standards and fiction.

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not all beliefs are worthy of respect, but when we read a book of fiction in my mind it's easier to travel outside ourselves and our absolute moral standards.

fiction allows our imagination to be free.

i haven't read " fifty shades of grey" but i read " romeo and juliet" at school,and juliet was 13, romeo i believe was supposedly around 18 or 19.

The Rebel

Not all beliefs are worthy of respect, but when we read a book of fiction in my mind it's easier to travel outside ourselves and our absolute moral standards. Fiction allows our imagination to be free. I haven't read " fifty shades of grey" but I read " Romeo and Juliet" at school,and Juliet was 13, Romeo I believe was supposedly around 18 or 19.( This moral standard I was taught at school)

I think the moral compass we allow to exist in fiction is often different than what we would allow exist in our reality. When I read a story of fiction my moral compass does not see the same ethical responsibility I attach to my non-fiction moral standard. Is this because:-

A) of the art of language?

B) Can a good writer give us a different moral compass in fiction?

C) Does fiction have a different moral compass than our reality?

Story telling is in my opinion telling the stories of people's life's. This to me is the fundamental point of why I read fiction, yet the depiction of a character in the book of fiction,and the moral compass will I rarely judge. But with many books of non-fiction I read, if the "hero "of the story was a real person I wouldn't waste my time reading the book.

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Morality Without Deity

by cofty in

one of the most persistent arguments for belief in god centres on the necessity of an ultimate law-giver and epitome of goodness.. a softer version is seen in the genuine concern that a loss of faith will result in a corresponding loss of a moral compass - a more strident argument links the existence of good and evil with proof of the reality of god.

it is often asserted that without god, moral decisions degenerate to nothing more than personal preferences and the victory of "might is right".. i want to succinctly lay out my response as an atheist, and show that a supreme being is not required for objective morality.. it is helpful to distinguish between absolute morality, objective morality and subjective morality.

christian apologists frequently conflate the first two, and secular debaters often fail to point out the difference.. theists who disagree on everything else, are unanimous that god is perfectly good.

The Rebel

I have enjoyed reading your latest O.Ps Cofty.

When I left the Watchtower I wanted to get at the heart of my preoccupation with God. I considered if I had been born Chinese, I would have a different skin, different beliefs. If I were born a Muslim I may as well have put my current beliefs in the trash bin. So since I no longer want to waste my time choosing the correct religion, I decided to seek something else, freedom to think, my own personality my own views on right and wrong.

Now I am inclined to believe often what I think is right according to my moral interpretation is often only that, my moral interpretation of right and wrong. I am therefore now more open to other people's ideas, of right and wrong, and personally I found many who attach themselves to a religious organisation do not have this freedom to think, nor their own personality on views of right and wrong.

To clarify I look back on my time as a witness, and I see myself cast in a movie, my role wasn't that of the great star, but my little role was written by the organisation, and I was not allowed to improvise my part, the directors of the movie did their job very well.

I have now given up acting, or at least I am currently blacklisted from participating in any religious movies.

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Fancy becoming emotionally attached to a pair of Jeans...

by The Rebel in

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and it was with great sadness that today my favorite pair of dirty denim, armani jeans were thrown in the bin.

they cost me £260 to purchase, and were value for money, as they were worn for many years and together we shared some wonderful occasions.they were stitched on numerous occasions, and loving repaired.

but today, and to my wife's relief i finally binned my amani jeans.

The Rebel

and it was with great sadness that today my favorite pair of dirty denim, Armani jeans were thrown in the bin. They cost me £260 to purchase, and were value for money, as they were worn for many years and together we shared some wonderful occasions.They were stitched on numerous occasions, and loving repaired. But today, and to my wife's relief I finally binned my Amani Jeans. (My wife always thought I a grown man wearing a pair of designer jeans with designer patches looked silly)

i think when I look at my material possessions, I am attached to some crazy things, I still have my childhood gollywog, he is in a terrible state of disfigurement with no eyes,no legs and now white cotton wool for a face with a deformed lip...but I simply can't throw him away.

Do you have any material possessions that are of only sentimental value. I think these are our true material possessions...

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Can you live with your self?

by The Rebel in

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i think if we are to fully delight in life we must live without detachment.

because when we become attached to a beliief we feel a desire that we are right.

the problem with being right, even if we are right is that our beliefs then try to attach themselfs to virgin snow, and change people to our thinking.

The Rebel

Thank you for the replies...

Looking back on my ministry, I see myself a muderer of people's reality. Because that is what I accomplished on my ministry, having believed and spread Watchtower lies, I therefore now find it hard to throw those lies in the trash bin and believe in a new reality.Yet I want to advance as an individual and find good friends.

This is why I have decided my future crimes will not be judged on what I believe, but who I am, and this is also how I now evaluate people...With most people I meet I usually hope what we believe can be met half way, and the person we are is what counts.

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Can you live with your self?

by The Rebel in

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i think if we are to fully delight in life we must live without detachment.

because when we become attached to a beliief we feel a desire that we are right.

the problem with being right, even if we are right is that our beliefs then try to attach themselfs to virgin snow, and change people to our thinking.

The Rebel

I think if we are to fully delight in life we must live without detachment. Because when we become attached to a beliief we feel a desire that we are right. The problem with being right, even if we are right is that our beliefs then try to attach themselfs to virgin snow, and change people to our thinking. Often all this accompanies is to leave our mucky footprints on another persons light hearted and cheerful disposition.

Ovbiously I appreciate my above comment has many holes in it, but I wrote it having looked back on my superior righteousness when I preached as a sincere witness. All I accomplished was many wasted hours.( I should say years) And with those whom I studied with it only accomplished taking away a persons light hearted and cheerful disposition.

Now when I meet people I want to accomplish something more important than my truth. I want people to simply like the person I am. I think that this is something worthwhile, and I now realise how often when I was on the ministry strangers whom I judged, gave me the special gift of themselfs.

This is why I enjoy the company of children, what they do not know about my deeper thoughts does not concern them, and nor should it. When the ball rolls down the path way, it simply rolls down the pathway, the science and religious stuff as why the ball rolls down the pathway is unimportant.

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Don't let the sun go down on me.

by The Rebel in

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in appreciation of david bowie who died a year ago today.

also to george michael and all the other less famous people ( mouthy, school friend.

my aunt.

The Rebel

Anybody who reads my posts will know of my love for Watford F.C.

On January 12 two days after starting this O.P Graham Taylor ( Ex Watford and England F.C manager) died of a heart attack at 71 yeas old.

Elton John was like a brother to Graham Taylor, and together in the 1970s, they created a football club which achieved the impossible, taking the club from the bottom of the 4th division to 2nd place in the top division. I tried to share those memories with my son last year, when before a match, Elton John and Graham Taylor were present to have sections of the stadium named after them.

Graham Taylor was not only a great football manager, he along with Elton created the first family football club. I remember how Elton got enjoyment speaking about the game with us kids,when he bought chips in the chippy. But more importantly I remember that Graham Taylor replied to my friends letters by first class post, when we young teenagers wrote questioning his team selection.

It was a Beautiful " Yellow Brick Road" ( The shirts of Watford f.c are yellow) a fantastic journey, and I never thought starting this " O.P" I would be adding the name " Graham Taylor" to the list. Thanks for the memories Graham Taylor.

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Short stay

by midnight in

after much research and prayer i am returning to being a jehovah's witness i can find nothing that eliminates them from being god's directed people , in the end they will reach the end of there journey despite mistakes and errors just like the israelites entered the promised land , thanks for your input and all the best on your personal journey ☺.

midnight..

The Rebel

Hope your sincere.

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The reality we must face.

by The Rebel in

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my dearest dad is 90 years old today.

we are far away, separated by geography, but never will i allow an organisation that indoctrinated false love separate me from my dear dad.

i love my dad and we had our differences but never will i allow that organisation take away my love for my dad.. happy bithday dad.

The Rebel

When my boy was born I remember a nurse handed me this boy " Here is your son" and holding that little package, was more than human existence. It was my son and a bond that I would never share with an organisation.The memories of that little package sleeping between his mother and I in bed, the first bath, the time I looked at his darling face and he pissed in my eye...this was my package of human existence and we are best friends today.

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Short stay

by midnight in

after much research and prayer i am returning to being a jehovah's witness i can find nothing that eliminates them from being god's directed people , in the end they will reach the end of there journey despite mistakes and errors just like the israelites entered the promised land , thanks for your input and all the best on your personal journey ☺.

midnight..

The Rebel

midnight," After much research and prayer I am returning to Jehovers Witness...."

Looking at your post history, you have started 4 sincere O.Ps and made 36 posts, so you have thought about this sensibly. Personally I think it a shame because I feel your contribution here was a missed opportunity to satisfactory answer those questions you raised.

Anyway it must have taken great courage for you to visit here, and I hope your experience here has shown apostates are made up off all types of people, and I hope you agree we are not all "mentally diseased?"

Take care and I give your post a like, not because I agree with your decision, but for your decency to kindly explain your decision.